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Found this while trolling WoWs US forum. AA Defense 61. With good armor, it have better gameplay then all the ships below her (not including tier 1 and 2). 14 comments in this topic. Hey its the AA priority sector bugged for the hipper? Would love to use the German cruisers but I see them as putting me at a competitive disadvantage. Honestly, this thing fits like a glove for me. By Marine_Diesel, November 9, 2015 in Player Gameplay Suggestions. When played right the Graf Spee is a very effective ship, but I find most players fail to use it correctly due to the slow reload and lack of guns, they think it's a BB and get citadel'd to death I think the 8" guns are a good compromise between speed and sheer damage. All rights reserved | © Wargaming.net. Meanwhile a Cruiser with floaty shells will struggle to hit non-BBs at range. German main battery guns 150mm and larger also already get the /4 instead of the /6 HE Pen. I have been pleasantly shocked at just how good the accuracy can be on Hipper, think I have killed DDs at 14km out and possibly some at 16km. And once you destroy the first attack wave or 2, most CVs will give up and select less troublesome targets. Today, I took out the Hipper out for a sail....thinking about ships for CB next season...and then remembered why I switched to the American heavy cruiser line when I first got started playing regularly last summer. Maneuverability 48. Nation Battles Win rate Avg. Would love to use the German cruisers but I see them as putting me at a competitive disadvantage. Those advantages were based on the ship's decent protection, rugged construction, and elaborate subdivision into compartments. It just seems to me that the German cruisers are not as good as the American, Japanese, or Russian counterparts. So it’s a fun and interesting contest when they get to face off on 1 vs 1 battle. [WOLF3] On 6/6/2019 at 4:34 AM, HazeGrayUnderway said: Main guns require Aiming Module to be effective, plus a little practice. 84 posts. Against BBs you need to usually use ambush or hit and fade attacks. German 203mm HE Pen:  203mm / 4 = 50.75 or 51mm of armor needed to defeat this HE shell. So German 203mm guns have fantastic HE penetration by default. Edit : You'll need a 15 points Captain "I found their detection range good for cruisers. I started playing CB in the Hindenburg....then switched to the Moskva in CB and ranked...and now the Des Moines in ranked and have reached rank 9.
The play styles are different.

Although (in game at least) the Graf Spee has fantastic torpedoes. And this was in a CoOp match where the bots do things that just don't happen in Random or Ranked. Put Prinz Eugen and Hipper do get the longer ranged, faster reloading, longer ranged, and more numerous main guns. But German 203mm HE Pen? You need to play a total of 10 battles to post in this section. an advanced gun fire control system and a high level of survivability. Fired alot at Tier X battleships ...so you would expect the damage to be less....but hits on two cruisers......500 damage average........and on a Lightning DD 10 hits for average of 300!! My win rates on the Moskva and DM are both a bit over 50%. All 50% 25% 10% 5%. When played right the Graf Spee is a very effective ship, but I find most players fail to use it correctly duebeith the slow reload and lack of guns, they think it's a BB and get citadel'd to death A project for finishing construction of the Admiral Hipper-class cruiser purchased from Germany (Project 83), that was suggested in the late 1940s. The RU DD can do whatever the hell it wants to the US Cruiser.